Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons ...

http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/antiwar/depleted.htm

http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm

http://traprockpeace.org/depleteduranium.html

http://www.firethistime.org/du.htm

>SecQrilious" > wrote...
> Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons ...
>
> http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/antiwar/depleted.htm
>
> http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm
>
> http://traprockpeace.org/depleteduranium.html
>
> http://www.firethistime.org/du.htm

What I want to know is how the U.S. reconciles its indiscriminate littering
of other countries with depleted uranium with its recent hysteria that
says that all radioactivity is an act of terrorism.

In other words, the thousands if not millions of depleted uranium shells we
litter Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries are perfectly "safe" and pose
no threat to health whatsoever, yet at the same time we have lined our
borders with radiation detectors which alert at even the tiniest fraction
of the radioactivity of a single depleted uranium shell. In fact, just
the other day the newspaper carried a story about how Americans undergoing
radiation treatment for cancer could trigger the detectors and how they
should carry documentation of their treatment to prove they're not
terrorists. So according to the U.S. government, thousands of radioactive
depleted uranium shells (which are also a toxic heavy metal aside from
their radioactivity) are "harmless," but someone with trace amounts of
radioactive iodine in their bloodstream to treat thyroid cancer is a
terrorist.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:12:25 GMT, "ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy"
> wrote:

>>SecQrilious" > wrote...
>> Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons ...
>>
>> http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/antiwar/depleted.htm
>>
>> http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm
>>
>> http://traprockpeace.org/depleteduranium.html
>>
>> http://www.firethistime.org/du.htm
>
>What I want to know is how the U.S. reconciles its indiscriminate littering
>of other countries with depleted uranium with its recent hysteria that
>says that all radioactivity is an act of terrorism.
>
>In other words, the thousands if not millions of depleted uranium shells we
>litter Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries are perfectly "safe" and pose
>no threat to health whatsoever, yet at the same time we have lined our
>borders with radiation detectors which alert at even the tiniest fraction
>of the radioactivity of a single depleted uranium shell. In fact, just
>the other day the newspaper carried a story about how Americans undergoing
>radiation treatment for cancer could trigger the detectors and how they
>should carry documentation of their treatment to prove they're not
>terrorists. So according to the U.S. government, thousands of radioactive
>depleted uranium shells (which are also a toxic heavy metal aside from
>their radioactivity) are "harmless," but someone with trace amounts of
>radioactive iodine in their bloodstream to treat thyroid cancer is a
>terrorist.
Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???
Regards,

In article >, Charlie Wolf
> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:12:25 GMT, "ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy"
> > wrote:
>
> >>SecQrilious" > wrote...
> >> Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons ...

> >What I want to know is how the U.S. reconciles its indiscriminate littering
> >of other countries with depleted uranium with its recent hysteria that
> >says that all radioactivity is an act of terrorism.
> >
> >In other words, the thousands if not millions of depleted uranium shells we
> >litter Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries are perfectly "safe" and pose
> >no threat to health whatsoever, yet at the same time we have lined our
> >borders with radiation detectors which alert at even the tiniest fraction
> >of the radioactivity of a single depleted uranium shell. In fact, just
> >the other day the newspaper carried a story about how Americans undergoing
> >radiation treatment for cancer could trigger the detectors and how they
> >should carry documentation of their treatment to prove they're not
> >terrorists. So according to the U.S. government, thousands of radioactive
> >depleted uranium shells (which are also a toxic heavy metal aside from
> >their radioactivity) are "harmless," but someone with trace amounts of
> >radioactive iodine in their bloodstream to treat thyroid cancer is a
> >terrorist.
> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???

Please don't feed the Troll.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

"Charlie Wolf" > wrote...
> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???

Uranium is uranium until it decays into something else. I think
"depleted" in this sense means all the useful U-235 has been
fissioned, but that still leaves the U-238 and the various
byproducts. Anyway, I don't think the government has ever said
it wasn't radioactive, simply that the level of radioactivity
was "harmless" (yet not so harmless that we would allow it to
be disposed of in a regular U.S. landfill). So someone please
answer whether depleted uranium would trigger the detectors at
the border.

"ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy" > wrote in message
.net...
> "Charlie Wolf" > wrote...
>> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???
>
> Uranium is uranium until it decays into something else. I think
> "depleted" in this sense means all the useful U-235 has been
> fissioned, but that still leaves the U-238 and the various
> byproducts. Anyway, I don't think the government has ever said
> it wasn't radioactive, simply that the level of radioactivity
> was "harmless" (yet not so harmless that we would allow it to
> be disposed of in a regular U.S. landfill). So someone please
> answer whether depleted uranium would trigger the detectors at
> the border.
>

Depleted uranium is used as ballast in jet aircraft (civilian) and sail
boats.
It is less toxic than lead.
If it didn't have the name **uranium** nobody would give a fig. Check out
your local industrial parks for examples of hard gamma sources.
They call them industrial xray systems.
Either read up, or shut up.


Jim E


Jim E

"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
...
>
> "ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy" > wrote in message
> .net...
>> "Charlie Wolf" > wrote...
>>> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???
>>
>> Uranium is uranium until it decays into something else. I think
>> "depleted" in this sense means all the useful U-235 has been
>> fissioned, but that still leaves the U-238 and the various
>> byproducts. Anyway, I don't think the government has ever said
>> it wasn't radioactive, simply that the level of radioactivity
>> was "harmless" (yet not so harmless that we would allow it to
>> be disposed of in a regular U.S. landfill). So someone please
>> answer whether depleted uranium would trigger the detectors at
>> the border.
>>
>
> Depleted uranium is used as ballast in jet aircraft (civilian) and sail
> boats.
> It is less toxic than lead.

and that's why the UN has classed it as a
Weapon with Indiscriminate Effect

"PeterCB" <no.mail@please> wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy" > wrote in message
>> .net...
>>> "Charlie Wolf" > wrote...
>>>> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???
>>>
>>> Uranium is uranium until it decays into something else. I think
>>> "depleted" in this sense means all the useful U-235 has been
>>> fissioned, but that still leaves the U-238 and the various
>>> byproducts. Anyway, I don't think the government has ever said
>>> it wasn't radioactive, simply that the level of radioactivity
>>> was "harmless" (yet not so harmless that we would allow it to
>>> be disposed of in a regular U.S. landfill). So someone please
>>> answer whether depleted uranium would trigger the detectors at
>>> the border.
>>>
>>
>> Depleted uranium is used as ballast in jet aircraft (civilian) and sail
>> boats.
>> It is less toxic than lead.
>
> and that's why the UN has classed it as a
> Weapon with Indiscriminate Effect

Well, here's another thing to grumble about! (Link to pseudo news
site) Recognition of obviously incontrovertible evidence of declining
quality of life, perhaps America herself! Inflammatory accusation
toward a political ideology! Paranoid rant. General intolerance or
intolerance toward intolerance, yeah.

? 33 responses either in agreement or defense of ideology; 4 with
passion.
? 11 additional examples, some with unconnected drift, some
mentioning guns.
? 7 intermixed rebuttals, finally succumbing to despair.
? 4 mentions of last November's election issues.
? 4 responses make fun of original poster because of grammar or
misspelled words.
? 1 Dada response from you-know-who.
? 3 responses to him from his posse.

Die-out. Resurrection 3 days later for late readers.
Repeat soon.

"PeterCB" <no.mail@please> wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy" > wrote in message
>> .net...
>>> "Charlie Wolf" > wrote...
>>>> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???
>>>
>>> Uranium is uranium until it decays into something else. I think
>>> "depleted" in this sense means all the useful U-235 has been
>>> fissioned, but that still leaves the U-238 and the various
>>> byproducts. Anyway, I don't think the government has ever said
>>> it wasn't radioactive, simply that the level of radioactivity
>>> was "harmless" (yet not so harmless that we would allow it to
>>> be disposed of in a regular U.S. landfill). So someone please
>>> answer whether depleted uranium would trigger the detectors at
>>> the border.
>>>
>>
>> Depleted uranium is used as ballast in jet aircraft (civilian) and sail
>> boats.
>> It is less toxic than lead.
>
> and that's why the UN has classed it as a
> Weapon with Indiscriminate Effect
>
The UN is a world wide joke.
Their pronouncements are meaningless.

Do you have any valid reference that disputes what I posted?

Jim E

> >
> > Depleted uranium is used as ballast in jet aircraft (civilian) and sail
> > boats.
> > It is less toxic than lead.
>
> and that's why the UN has classed it as a
> Weapon with Indiscriminate Effect
>
>
Because the UN is the victim of junk science as much as if nor more so than
any other bureaucracy.
The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and the
free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation of
Iraq and Afghanistan...

DU is completely harmless in metalic form, indeed less toxic than lead and
more effective as radiation shielding.
It's in fact less radioactive than the background radiation from the
universe or the concrete or brick from which your house is constructed (not
even talking about wood and steel).

Even enriched Uranium is not very radioactive. The danger from radiation
exposure in nuclear fuel is purely from the byproducts of the fission
process, not the Uranium itself.

Had Uranium been dangerously radioactive in fact there would by now be no
measurable quantities of the metal left on the planet. It would all have
decayed into other materials millions of years ago.

"Jeroen Wenting" > wrote in message
...
>> >
>> > Depleted uranium is used as ballast in jet aircraft (civilian) and sail
>> > boats.
>> > It is less toxic than lead.
>>
>> and that's why the UN has classed it as a
>> Weapon with Indiscriminate Effect
>>
>>
> Because the UN is the victim of junk science as much as if nor more so
> than
> any other bureaucracy.
> The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and the
> free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
> opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation of
> Iraq and Afghanistan...
>
> DU is completely harmless in metalic form, indeed less toxic than lead and
> more effective as radiation shielding.

No sir isnt. While not the deadly poison the econuts declare it
to be its an alpha emitting heavy metal and you'd do well
to take sensible precautions when handlng it. I have machined
components from DU in my stint with an NDT unit and always
wore a dust mask and coveralls.

> It's in fact less radioactive than the background radiation from the
> universe or the concrete or brick from which your house is constructed
> (not
> even talking about wood and steel).
>

Only if your house is made of granite.

> Even enriched Uranium is not very radioactive. The danger from radiation
> exposure in nuclear fuel is purely from the byproducts of the fission
> process, not the Uranium itself.
>

True enough

> Had Uranium been dangerously radioactive in fact there would by now be no
> measurable quantities of the metal left on the planet. It would all have
> decayed into other materials millions of years ago.
>

Get powdered uranium into your lungs and you
have a seriously increased risk of lung cancer.
DU is not a huge risk but there is SOME risk
which is why the various national health and
safety organisations in the USA and Europe
lay down guidelines for its handling.

Keith

"Jeroen Wenting" > a écrit dans le
message de news: ...
> The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and the
> free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
> opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation of
> Iraq and Afghanistan...

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is the worst peace of garbage a free man can write.....

The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...

France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be free...

But..you think that because they didnt help you with Irak that they are
against the free world....

Remember that....Usa is not the free world..its is only a part of it..Canada
France Germany England Spain Portugal Mexico and a lot more country are in
fact part of the free world..yup even Belgium....(our friend paully will
like it..)..So cut the crap...

The fact is that France and Canada and a lot more country were against the
Irak invasion because they could see that it would be worst to go in for bad
reason then to work this thing out with diplomacy...But no diplomacy could
make the Bush administration happy..he needed BLOOD..
He got used to it by killing anyone in the death row in Texas while he was
governer..

UN is trying to prevent the USA to take us ALL in a stupid war..Too bad you
cant understand that..

"petem" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Jeroen Wenting" > a écrit dans le
> message de news: ...
>> The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and the
>> free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
>> opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation of
>> Iraq and Afghanistan...
>
> Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> this is the worst peace of garbage a free man can write.....
>
> The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
>
> France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be free...
>
> But..you think that because they didnt help you with Irak that they are
> against the free world....
>
> Remember that....Usa is not the free world..its is only a part of
> it..Canada France Germany England Spain Portugal Mexico and a lot more
> country are in fact part of the free world..yup even Belgium....(our
> friend paully will like it..)..So cut the crap...
>
> The fact is that France and Canada and a lot more country were against the
> Irak invasion because they could see that it would be worst to go in for
> bad reason then to work this thing out with diplomacy...But no diplomacy
> could make the Bush administration happy..he needed BLOOD..
> He got used to it by killing anyone in the death row in Texas while he was
> governer..
>
> UN is trying to prevent the USA to take us ALL in a stupid war..Too bad
> you cant understand that..
>
>
>
The UN is a sad expensive joke.

"petem" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Jeroen Wenting" > a écrit dans le
> message de news: ...
> > The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and
the
> > free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
> > opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation
of
> > Iraq and Afghanistan...
>
> Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> this is the worst peace of garbage a free man can write.....
>
> The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...

Uh yea by passing resolution after resolution without any enforcement, that
is when they aren't taking bribes from certain oil-rich countries

> France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be free...

That was over 200 years ago when France actually had some guts

> The fact is that France and Canada and a lot more country were against the
> Irak invasion because they could see that it would be worst to go in for
bad
> reason then to work this thing out with diplomacy...But no diplomacy could
> make the Bush administration happy..he needed BLOOD..

France and Canada where against the war because their governments have no
backbone and choose to look a blind eye to the worlds problems

> He got used to it by killing anyone in the death row in Texas while he was
> governer..

Gee I think thats the general purpose of death row isn't it?

> UN is trying to prevent the USA to take us ALL in a stupid war..Too bad
you
> cant understand that..

No the UN is a gutless corrupt organization that does nothing in the face of
danger, too bad you can't understand THAT

"Mark Leuck" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>
> "petem" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> "Jeroen Wenting" > a écrit dans le
>> message de news: ...
>> > The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and
> the
>> > free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
>> > opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation
> of
>> > Iraq and Afghanistan...
>>
>> Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> this is the worst peace of garbage a free man can write.....
>>
>> The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
>
> Uh yea by passing resolution after resolution without any enforcement,
> that
> is when they aren't taking bribes from certain oil-rich countries

well look like the lack of wmd in irak proove that the resolution that the
UN passed was enforced...
And who was working for the oil-rich countries before becoming the
president?
And who is still friend with them?
And can you give me a link to a web syte..(a reputed one...not any blog or
supposely news site)that support the story about UN taking Bribes from those
country

>
>> France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be free...
>
> That was over 200 years ago when France actually had some guts
>

They still have guts but they do have wisdom too..wich other are lacking...

>> The fact is that France and Canada and a lot more country were against
>> the
>> Irak invasion because they could see that it would be worst to go in for
> bad
>> reason then to work this thing out with diplomacy...But no diplomacy
>> could
>> make the Bush administration happy..he needed BLOOD..
>
> France and Canada where against the war because their governments have no
> backbone and choose to look a blind eye to the worlds problems
>
A blind eyes...lets talk about behing blind....what do you do about the
spreading of nuclear weapon in asia?

>> He got used to it by killing anyone in the death row in Texas while he
>> was
>> governer..
>
> Gee I think thats the general purpose of death row isn't it?
>

Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as beating a
few month old baby cause he cries..
now tell me does it help lowering the crime rate??

>> UN is trying to prevent the USA to take us ALL in a stupid war..Too bad
> you
>> cant understand that..
>
> No the UN is a gutless corrupt organization that does nothing in the face
> of
> danger, too bad you can't understand THAT
>
Proove to me the corruption..

I will show you 20 times more corruption in the white house....


Mark i know that as an American this is sounding like i am against American
poeple
wich is so far from the true...

In fact i am very happy to have a super nation beside my nation...it helped
me and my fellows go on with less worry..till Bush came to power....
Attaking a country to fight terrorism will not help..its only creating more
extremist that will attack the USA
American troops are not welcome in any part of Irak..but you still think
that you delivered them from a Bad dictator..
What they really see is that they used to have a dictator and a
country...now they have a country that dictate them and they lost there
country...
thats not an improment...that dictator would have died anyway..and who knows
what would have came after him..

too bad you cant understand that

"petem" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> well look like the lack of wmd in irak proove that the resolution that the
> UN passed was enforced...

No proof of that at all

> And who was working for the oil-rich countries before becoming the
> president?

If you mean Bush I believe he was working for the Texas Rangers before
becoming govenor although you are free to bring up the usual conspiracy
theories

> And who is still friend with them?
> And can you give me a link to a web syte..(a reputed one...not any blog or
> supposely news site)that support the story about UN taking Bribes from
those
> country

You want evidence UN individuals took bribes from Iraq? You can't be serious

> >> France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be
free...
> >
> > That was over 200 years ago when France actually had some guts
> >
>
> They still have guts but they do have wisdom too..wich other are
lacking...

France is one of the biggest offender in much of this, because of it's
stagnant economy they are constantly selling components commonly used in
weapons (conventional, nuclear and biological) to whoever will pay the bill,
same with Germany and Russia

The fact is France, Germany and Russia were against the war for one reason,
Iraq was a customer
> >
> > France and Canada where against the war because their governments have
no
> > backbone and choose to look a blind eye to the worlds problems
> >
> A blind eyes...lets talk about behing blind....what do you do about the
> spreading of nuclear weapon in asia?

Good question, if we invade them would you whine and cry about it like you
do with Iraq? North Korea has nukes because Clinton and the UN were
spineless to actually do something about it, same thing is happening right
now with Iran. Rules are worthless without enforcement which is why you will
always see nothing but resolutions and sanctions from the UN, they've never
had the guts for military action and ALWAYS have to be dragged into
enforcement by the United States

> > Gee I think thats the general purpose of death row isn't it?
> >
>
> Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as beating a
> few month old baby cause he cries..

Now thats a brilliant analogy, a baby doesn't know any better while a serial
killer tends to understand what he does wrong

> now tell me does it help lowering the crime rate??

It prevents those individuals from doing it again, I'd say it reduces crime
by 100%

> >> UN is trying to prevent the USA to take us ALL in a stupid war..Too bad
> > you
> >> cant understand that..
> >
> > No the UN is a gutless corrupt organization that does nothing in the
face
> > of
> > danger, too bad you can't understand THAT
> >
> Proove to me the corruption..

Umm didn't you watch the news last week?

> I will show you 20 times more corruption in the white house....

Go for it

> Mark i know that as an American this is sounding like i am against
American
> poeple
> wich is so far from the true...

I don't say that, I'd say you are much like many on the left who believe
loony conspiracy theories or have such a hatred for Bush that they blindly
believe many of the stories floating out there

> In fact i am very happy to have a super nation beside my nation...it
helped
> me and my fellows go on with less worry..till Bush came to power....

Personally if I lived in Canada I'd love to have a neighbor actually doing
something instead of just talking about it, but thats just me

> Attaking a country to fight terrorism will not help..its only creating
more
> extremist that will attack the USA

Then explain the reasoning for 9/11, if you are correct then that should
never have happened right?

BTW: Doing nothing also tends to create extremists

> American troops are not welcome in any part of Irak..

Give me proof of that, I can find countless stories claiming otherwise

> but you still think
> that you delivered them from a Bad dictator..

Well I don't think we delivered them from a GOOD dictator

> What they really see is that they used to have a dictator and a
> country...now they have a country that dictate them and they lost there
> country...

Yes thats why they were able to vote last week

> thats not an improment...that dictator would have died anyway..and who
knows
> what would have came after him..

Like North Korea usually the son/sons take his place, now that would have
been fun wouldn't it?

In message >, petem
> writes
>
>"Jeroen Wenting" > a écrit dans le
>message de news: ...
>> The UN is also constantly on the lookout for ways to harm the USA and the
>> free world as a whole, after all the free world as led by the USA and
>> opposed by France, Germany, Russia, and the PRC, led to the liberation of
>> Iraq and Afghanistan...
>
>Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>this is the worst peace of garbage a free man can write.....
>
>The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
>
>France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be free...
>
>
Great example, I don't think. France was a despotic absolute monarchy,
with no interest in the colonies being free as such. France wanted the
British out of the picture so it could grab land unopposed.

If France was so interested in freedom , how come it took another decade
and a half for the Bourbons to be overthrown?

France then suffered many more years of dictatorship, and is still ruled
by one of the most corrupt administrations in the western world.
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

france is full of wusses! anyone who thinks otherwise is a homo just
like the french president. The only reason they were against the war in
iraq was because they would loose out on that money they were making
off sissy sadaam.

he he he ..and dats da truth my niggie

PeterCB-<< and that's why the UN has classed it as a
Weapon with Indiscriminate Effect
>><BR><BR>

I wouldn't truat anything the International Debating Society says.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

"petem" > wrote in message news:A2iN


>>> He got used to it by killing anyone in the death row in Texas while he
>>> was
>>> governer..
>>
>> Gee I think thats the general purpose of death row isn't it?
>>
>
> Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as beating a
> few month old baby cause he cries..
> now tell me does it help lowering the crime rate??

For one thing, it dramatically reduces the recitivism rate.
DUH.
>

petem wrote:

> And can you give me a link to a web syte..(a reputed one...not any blog or
> supposely news site)that support the story about UN taking Bribes from those
> country
>
>
Try the page of the United Nations Secretary-General -
http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml

"Secretary-General Kofi Annan today announced that he had initiated
disciplinary proceedings against officials involved in the operation"

Dave

"Mark Leuck" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>
> "petem" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> well look like the lack of wmd in irak proove that the resolution that
>> the
>> UN passed was enforced...
>
> No proof of that at all
>

Well dont you think that if there would have been some WMD somewhere in Irak
it would have been found?
are you telling me that they disolved in thin air while the attack?

>> And who was working for the oil-rich countries before becoming the
>> president?
>
> If you mean Bush I believe he was working for the Texas Rangers before
> becoming govenor although you are free to bring up the usual conspiracy
> theories
>
no he had about 40% ownership in the texas ranger...he was not working for
them....are you telling me that someone like him would only have 1
occupation in life?

>> And who is still friend with them?
>> And can you give me a link to a web syte..(a reputed one...not any blog
>> or
>> supposely news site)that support the story about UN taking Bribes from
> those
>> country
>
> You want evidence UN individuals took bribes from Iraq? You can't be
> serious
>
>> >> France was the FIRST country to help the USA in its strugle to be
> free...
>> >
>> > That was over 200 years ago when France actually had some guts
>> >
>>
>> They still have guts but they do have wisdom too..wich other are
> lacking...
>
> France is one of the biggest offender in much of this, because of it's
> stagnant economy they are constantly selling components commonly used in
> weapons (conventional, nuclear and biological) to whoever will pay the
> bill,
> same with Germany and Russia
>

and the USA dont sell weapon? never sold any weapon to saddam?
never helped osama with its war against russia? remeber the what reagan had
to deal with some rebelious poeple ..the contra(ore something like that?)

> The fact is France, Germany and Russia were against the war for one
> reason,
> Iraq was a customer

of them AND a costumer of the USA

>> >
>> > France and Canada where against the war because their governments have
> no
>> > backbone and choose to look a blind eye to the worlds problems
>> >
>> A blind eyes...lets talk about behing blind....what do you do about the
>> spreading of nuclear weapon in asia?
>
> Good question, if we invade them would you whine and cry about it like you
> do with Iraq? North Korea has nukes because Clinton and the UN were
> spineless to actually do something about it, same thing is happening right
> now with Iran. Rules are worthless without enforcement which is why you
> will
> always see nothing but resolutions and sanctions from the UN, they've
> never
> had the guts for military action and ALWAYS have to be dragged into
> enforcement by the United States
>
Now invasion again..there are MANY ways to deal with an other country then
to invade it..
big biceps no brain...

>> > Gee I think thats the general purpose of death row isn't it?
>> >
>>
>> Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as beating a
>> few month old baby cause he cries..
>
> Now thats a brilliant analogy, a baby doesn't know any better while a
> serial
> killer tends to understand what he does wrong

The point is that in both situation its a useless use of force...

what would you fear more...the rest of your life with no way of gaining
freedom,behing bars 24/24 or behing killed after a few years by a shot?
i was go insane pretty fast being behind bars for a long period..

if i kill someone and have to think about it in a cell for the rest of my
life or being killed i would choose death...thats the easy way out..
so you are putting it easier for murderer..

>
>> now tell me does it help lowering the crime rate??
>
> It prevents those individuals from doing it again, I'd say it reduces
> crime
> by 100%
>
but its still not lowering the crime rates..

>> >> UN is trying to prevent the USA to take us ALL in a stupid war..Too
>> >> bad
>> > you
>> >> cant understand that..
>> >
>> > No the UN is a gutless corrupt organization that does nothing in the
> face
>> > of
>> > danger, too bad you can't understand THAT
>> >
>> Proove to me the corruption..
>
> Umm didn't you watch the news last week?
>
>> I will show you 20 times more corruption in the white house....
>
> Go for it
>
>> Mark i know that as an American this is sounding like i am against
> American
>> poeple
>> wich is so far from the true...
>
> I don't say that, I'd say you are much like many on the left who believe
> loony conspiracy theories or have such a hatred for Bush that they blindly
> believe many of the stories floating out there
>

you always talk about stories...dont you think that part of are true?

>> In fact i am very happy to have a super nation beside my nation...it
> helped
>> me and my fellows go on with less worry..till Bush came to power....
>
> Personally if I lived in Canada I'd love to have a neighbor actually doing
> something instead of just talking about it, but thats just me
>
>> Attaking a country to fight terrorism will not help..its only creating
> more
>> extremist that will attack the USA
>
> Then explain the reasoning for 9/11, if you are correct then that should
> never have happened right?
>
911 was because you let thing go out of countrol after putting your big nose
in someone else mess..


> BTW: Doing nothing also tends to create extremists

No doing nothing after helping exetremist group getting organized is what
created Osama

>
>> American troops are not welcome in any part of Irak..
>
> Give me proof of that, I can find countless stories claiming otherwise
>

i see a lot of bombing....


>> but you still think
>> that you delivered them from a Bad dictator..
>
> Well I don't think we delivered them from a GOOD dictator
>
>> What they really see is that they used to have a dictator and a
>> country...now they have a country that dictate them and they lost there
>> country...
>
> Yes thats why they were able to vote last week

wow!!! vote!! they are free!! come on..how could they vote freely when they
were afraid of being killed

>
>> thats not an improment...that dictator would have died anyway..and who
> knows
>> what would have came after him..
>
> Like North Korea usually the son/sons take his place, now that would have
> been fun wouldn't it?
>
In haiti the son didnt last long and every thing feel down..

could have happen with some diplomacy work in the back...using brains...no
biceps..

"petem" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Mark Leuck" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> >
> > "petem" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >>
> >> well look like the lack of wmd in irak proove that the resolution that
> >> the
> >> UN passed was enforced...
> >
> > No proof of that at all
> >
>
> Well dont you think that if there would have been some WMD somewhere in
Irak
> it would have been found?
> are you telling me that they disolved in thin air while the attack?

Actually they did find several shells with WMD right after the war, if I had
to guess I'd say Syria now has them now

>
> >> And who was working for the oil-rich countries before becoming the
> >> president?
> >
> > If you mean Bush I believe he was working for the Texas Rangers before
> > becoming govenor although you are free to bring up the usual conspiracy
> > theories
> >
> no he had about 40% ownership in the texas ranger...he was not working for
> them....are you telling me that someone like him would only have 1
> occupation in life?

You haven't mentioned what he did for "oil right countries" yet


> >
> > France is one of the biggest offender in much of this, because of it's
> > stagnant economy they are constantly selling components commonly used in
> > weapons (conventional, nuclear and biological) to whoever will pay the
> > bill,
> > same with Germany and Russia
> >
>
> and the USA dont sell weapon? never sold any weapon to saddam?
> never helped osama with its war against russia? remeber the what reagan
had
> to deal with some rebelious poeple ..the contra(ore something like that?)

No question about that however France made an art out of it over the past 2
decades and still does

>
> > The fact is France, Germany and Russia were against the war for one
> > reason,
> > Iraq was a customer
>
> of them AND a costumer of the USA

Not as of 2003

> >
> Now invasion again..there are MANY ways to deal with an other country then
> to invade it..
> big biceps no brain...

Such as? Oh wait...sanctions? yea that worked great eh?

> >> Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as beating
a
> >> few month old baby cause he cries..
> >
> > Now thats a brilliant analogy, a baby doesn't know any better while a
> > serial
> > killer tends to understand what he does wrong
>
> The point is that in both situation its a useless use of force...

I wouldn't say it was useless, Saddam is gone, Bin Laden is on the run and
both Iraq and Afghanistan held elections, then again if we did it your way
they'd still be run by the former dictators

> what would you fear more...the rest of your life with no way of gaining
> freedom,behing bars 24/24 or behing killed after a few years by a shot?
> i was go insane pretty fast being behind bars for a long period..
>
> if i kill someone and have to think about it in a cell for the rest of my
> life or being killed i would choose death...thats the easy way out..
> so you are putting it easier for murderer..

Thanks but I'd rather not pay to have that guy sit in a cell for the rest of
his life thinking about it and you assume they will feel guilty thinking
about it, instead they will just adapt to the new environment and likely
kill someone in prison

> > It prevents those individuals from doing it again, I'd say it reduces
> > crime
> > by 100%
> >
> but its still not lowering the crime rates..

Who cares what it does to the crime rate? That moron is out of the picture,
my only complaint with the death penalty is it takes too long to implement

> > I don't say that, I'd say you are much like many on the left who believe
> > loony conspiracy theories or have such a hatred for Bush that they
blindly
> > believe many of the stories floating out there
> >
>
> you always talk about stories...dont you think that part of are true?

From what I'd seen by the loony left very few

> 911 was because you let thing go out of countrol after putting your big
nose
> in someone else mess..

Bin Laden planned 9/11 because we had troops in Saudi Arabia due of the
first iraq war, funny how Bin Laden didn't fly any planes into Bagdad
buildings when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 but I guess thats not how it
works in their world

> > BTW: Doing nothing also tends to create extremists
>
> No doing nothing after helping exetremist group getting organized is what
> created Osama

I'd say they aren't too organized now are they?

> >> American troops are not welcome in any part of Irak..
> >
> > Give me proof of that, I can find countless stories claiming otherwise
> >
>
> i see a lot of bombing....

I have a feeling thats all you want to see

> >
> > Yes thats why they were able to vote last week
>
> wow!!! vote!! they are free!! come on..how could they vote freely when
they
> were afraid of being killed

If I recall they didn't HAVE to vote, then again in the past they didn't
have that option, at least a real option

> >
> > Like North Korea usually the son/sons take his place, now that would
have
> > been fun wouldn't it?
> >
> In haiti the son didnt last long and every thing feel down..

And Haiti is still a mess and will be a mess for decades to come, it also
wasn't an oil rich nation that could bribe those nice UN officials

> could have happen with some diplomacy work in the back...using brains...no
> biceps..

I think the UN tried that for the last 10 years, didn't really work very
well

"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>
> "petem" > wrote in message news:A2iN
>
>
>>>> He got used to it by killing anyone in the death row in Texas while he
>>>> was
>>>> governer..
>>>
>>> Gee I think thats the general purpose of death row isn't it?
>>>
>>
>> Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as beating a
>> few month old baby cause he cries..
>> now tell me does it help lowering the crime rate??
>
> For one thing, it dramatically reduces the recitivism rate.
> DUH.
>>

yup you are right...for a few but not for the MAJORITY..itsl like if killing
a few ants on your lawn would make the whole pack go away...

thats why you like them back in that bahamas? ;-)

> a écrit dans le message de news:
om...
> france is full of wusses! anyone who thinks otherwise is a homo just
> like the french president. The only reason they were against the war in
> iraq was because they would loose out on that money they were making
> off sissy sadaam.
>
> he he he ..and dats da truth my niggie
>

Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus) made
money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is bad..

that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act on
Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
SO what do you think of it?

the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did you
heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?

Damn the whole USA is corrupted!!!(Sarcasm here for the chalanged) its so
easy to see the bad in the others..hard to look at ourself..


"Dave Holford" > a écrit dans le message
de news: ...
> petem wrote:
>
>> And can you give me a link to a web syte..(a reputed one...not any blog
>> or supposely news site)that support the story about UN taking Bribes from
>> those country
>>
>>
> Try the page of the United Nations Secretary-General -
> http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml
>
> "Secretary-General Kofi Annan today announced that he had initiated
> disciplinary proceedings against officials involved in the operation"
>
> Dave

"Mark Leuck" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>
> "petem" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> "Mark Leuck" > a écrit dans le message de news:
>> ...
>> >
>> > "petem" > wrote in message
>> > . ..
>> >>
>> >> well look like the lack of wmd in irak proove that the resolution that
>> >> the
>> >> UN passed was enforced...
>> >
>> > No proof of that at all
>> >
>>
>> Well dont you think that if there would have been some WMD somewhere in
> Irak
>> it would have been found?
>> are you telling me that they disolved in thin air while the attack?
>
> Actually they did find several shells with WMD right after the war, if I
> had
> to guess I'd say Syria now has them now

How old were they?10 years?

>> no he had about 40% ownership in the texas ranger...he was not working
>> for
>> them....are you telling me that someone like him would only have 1
>> occupation in life?
>
> You haven't mentioned what he did for "oil right countries" yet
>
>
>> > The fact is France, Germany and Russia were against the war for one
>> > reason,
>> > Iraq was a customer
>>
>> of them AND a costumer of the USA
>
> Not as of 2003

When did the towers collapsed? 2001? what happened in between?


>> >
>> Now invasion again..there are MANY ways to deal with an other country
>> then
>> to invade it..
>> big biceps no brain...
>
> Such as? Oh wait...sanctions? yea that worked great eh?

show me the WMD

>
>> >> Killing someone as a punishment for crimes is as intelligent as
>> >> beating
> a
>> >> few month old baby cause he cries..
>> >
>> > Now thats a brilliant analogy, a baby doesn't know any better while a
>> > serial
>> > killer tends to understand what he does wrong
>>
>> The point is that in both situation its a useless use of force...
>
> I wouldn't say it was useless, Saddam is gone, Bin Laden is on the run and
> both Iraq and Afghanistan held elections, then again if we did it your way
> they'd still be run by the former dictators

on the run? he is much more free then you think...and you are helping him
find more crazy teen to supply kamikaze bomber..

>
>> what would you fear more...the rest of your life with no way of gaining
>> freedom,behing bars 24/24 or behing killed after a few years by a shot?
>> i was go insane pretty fast being behind bars for a long period..
>>
>> if i kill someone and have to think about it in a cell for the rest of my
>> life or being killed i would choose death...thats the easy way out..
>> so you are putting it easier for murderer..
>
> Thanks but I'd rather not pay to have that guy sit in a cell for the rest
> of
> his life thinking about it and you assume they will feel guilty thinking
> about it, instead they will just adapt to the new environment and likely
> kill someone in prison

thats were you dont have any imagination..(or to much of it..) i think that
the ass hole that killed should be left in hole in a very bad
situation....like France prison a few decade ago...for wuss they knew how to
treat criminals...



>> > It prevents those individuals from doing it again, I'd say it reduces
>> > crime
>> > by 100%
>> >
>> but its still not lowering the crime rates..
>
> Who cares what it does to the crime rate? That moron is out of the
> picture,
> my only complaint with the death penalty is it takes too long to implement
>
ok crime rate are uninportant...ok its true its better to wack someone skull
cause he wacked some sckull then to prevent the first blow..


>> > I don't say that, I'd say you are much like many on the left who
>> > believe
>> > loony conspiracy theories or have such a hatred for Bush that they
> blindly
>> > believe many of the stories floating out there
>> >
>>
>> you always talk about stories...dont you think that part of are true?
>
> From what I'd seen by the loony left very few
>
>> 911 was because you let thing go out of countrol after putting your big
> nose
>> in someone else mess..
>
> Bin Laden planned 9/11 because we had troops in Saudi Arabia due of the
> first iraq war, funny how Bin Laden didn't fly any planes into Bagdad
> buildings when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 but I guess thats not how it
> works in their world

what was Bin laden BEFORE that? what was he doing?
for koweit he had no time to do nothing the big boys were allready there in
a few days..

>
>> > BTW: Doing nothing also tends to create extremists
>>
>> No doing nothing after helping exetremist group getting organized is what
>> created Osama
>
> I'd say they aren't too organized now are they?

why the security alert went to almost red during the election? organized or
not? if so why rase the level?

>
>> >> American troops are not welcome in any part of Irak..
>> >
>> > Give me proof of that, I can find countless stories claiming otherwise
>> >
>>
>> i see a lot of bombing....
>
> I have a feeling thats all you want to see
>
well i listen to some news channel that are not american controled..must be
the difference in point of view

>> >
>> > Yes thats why they were able to vote last week
>>
>> wow!!! vote!! they are free!! come on..how could they vote freely when
> they
>> were afraid of being killed
>
> If I recall they didn't HAVE to vote, then again in the past they didn't
> have that option, at least a real option

and it made a so large difference in ther life...in the next 10 year there
will be more inocent killed then in the last 30 years of sadam regime..



>
>> >
>> > Like North Korea usually the son/sons take his place, now that would
> have
>> > been fun wouldn't it?
>> >
>> In haiti the son didnt last long and every thing feel down..
>
> And Haiti is still a mess and will be a mess for decades to come, it also
> wasn't an oil rich nation that could bribe those nice UN officials

no oil, the american had nothing to gain so they didnt cared..but still its
there neighbor

>
>> could have happen with some diplomacy work in the back...using
>> brains...no
>> biceps..
>
> I think the UN tried that for the last 10 years, didn't really work very
> well

Show me the WMD!!!!!!(repeat adnauseam) like "show me the money" in the
american film Jerry McGuire

Geez, yah need to take a look at some other countries and how corupt
they are (eg. where i live), makes the US look like angels ... yah dont
know the half of it dread ..

"petem" > wrote in message
.. .
> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus) made
> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is bad..

Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece and
Turkey for the past 50+ years

> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act on
> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
> SO what do you think of it?

I have no idea what you just said

> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did you
> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?

Huh?

In article >,
"Mark Leuck" > writes:
>
> "petem" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus) made
>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is bad..
>
> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece and
> Turkey for the past 50+ years
>
>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act on
>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
>> SO what do you think of it?
>
> I have no idea what you just said
>
>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did you
>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
>
> Huh?

I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
falling behind at all.

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

"Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> In article >,
> "Mark Leuck" > writes:
>>
>> "petem" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus) made
>>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
>>> bad..
>>
>> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece and
>> Turkey for the past 50+ years
>>
>>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act
>>> on
>>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
>>> SO what do you think of it?
>>
>> I have no idea what you just said
>>
>>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
>>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
>>> you
>>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
>>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
>>
>> Huh?
>
> I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
> Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
> U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
> of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
> falling behind at all.
>
> --
> Pete Stickney
>
> Without data, all you have are opinions

Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is not
my first language...

i can make myself understood ....

but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?

"petem" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
> > In article >,
> > "Mark Leuck" > writes:
> >>
> >> "petem" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus)
made
> >>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
> >>> bad..
> >>
> >> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece
and
> >> Turkey for the past 50+ years
> >>
> >>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act
> >>> on
> >>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
> >>> SO what do you think of it?
> >>
> >> I have no idea what you just said
> >>
> >>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
> >>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
> >>> you
> >>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
> >>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >
> > I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
> > Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
> > U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
> > of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
> > falling behind at all.
> >
> > --
> > Pete Stickney
> >
> > Without data, all you have are opinions
>
> Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is
not
> my first language...
>
> i can make myself understood ....
>
> but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?
>
>

hahahaha, now you know how I felt
but at least you can make yourself understood...
I'm wondering what I actually said

"petem" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
> > In article >,
> > "Mark Leuck" > writes:
> >>
> >> "petem" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus)
made
> >>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
> >>> bad..
> >>
> >> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece
and
> >> Turkey for the past 50+ years
> >>
> >>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act
> >>> on
> >>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
> >>> SO what do you think of it?
> >>
> >> I have no idea what you just said
> >>
> >>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
> >>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
> >>> you
> >>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
> >>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >
> > I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
> > Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
> > U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
> > of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
> > falling behind at all.
> >
> > --
> > Pete Stickney
> >
> > Without data, all you have are opinions
>
> Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is
not
> my first language...
>
> i can make myself understood ....
>
> but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?

Normally you type english very well just not in that message, I seriously
had no idea what you were talking about

In article >,
"petem" > writes:
>
> "Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
>> In article >,
>> "Mark Leuck" > writes:
>>>
>>> "petem" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus) made
>>>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
>>>> bad..
>>>
>>> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece and
>>> Turkey for the past 50+ years
>>>
>>>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act
>>>> on
>>>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
>>>> SO what do you think of it?
>>>
>>> I have no idea what you just said
>>>
>>>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
>>>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
>>>> you
>>>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
>>>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
>> Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
>> U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
>> of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
>> falling behind at all.
>
> Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is not
> my first language...
>

It's got nothing to do with grammar or typing skill.
It has everything to do with illogic, and the triumph of emotionalism
over reason, and a complete lack of research.

> i can make myself understood ....
> but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?

Yep.
It's not _that_ special, you know.
--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

> I'm wondering what I actually said...

Why are we not surprised to read this?

We? How many personalities are you up to now, Bob?

"Robert L Bass" > wrote in message
...
> > I'm wondering what I actually said...
>
> Why are we not surprised to read this?
>
>

> We? How many personalities are you up to now, Bob?

When do you plan to have even one?

In article >,
on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
petem attempted to say .....

>
> The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...

I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies to
under-age refugee's for sex.

--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

In article >,
on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:05:06 -0500,
Dave Holford attempted to say .....

> petem wrote:
>
> > And can you give me a link to a web syte..(a reputed one...not any blog or
> > supposely news site)that support the story about UN taking Bribes from those
> > country
> >
> >
> Try the page of the United Nations Secretary-General -
> http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml
>
> "Secretary-General Kofi Annan today announced that he had initiated
> disciplinary proceedings against officials involved in the operation"

How many years short ?

Wonder how many it will take to prosecute his food for sex workers.. ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

In article >,
on Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:05:44 -0500,
petem attempted to say .....

>
> i can make myself understood ....
>

Not so far, so far you have had incoherent rants.

--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

In article >,
on Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:46:50 -0600,
Charlie Wolf attempted to say .....

> On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:12:25 GMT, "ButtPirate John Wayne Gacy"
> > wrote:
>
> >>SecQrilious" > wrote...
> >> Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons ...
> >>
> >> http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/antiwar/depleted.htm
> >>
> >> http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm
> >>
> >> http://traprockpeace.org/depleteduranium.html
> >>
> >> http://www.firethistime.org/du.htm
> >
> >What I want to know is how the U.S. reconciles its indiscriminate littering
> >of other countries with depleted uranium with its recent hysteria that
> >says that all radioactivity is an act of terrorism.
> >
> >In other words, the thousands if not millions of depleted uranium shells we
> >litter Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries are perfectly "safe" and pose
> >no threat to health whatsoever, yet at the same time we have lined our
> >borders with radiation detectors which alert at even the tiniest fraction
> >of the radioactivity of a single depleted uranium shell. In fact, just
> >the other day the newspaper carried a story about how Americans undergoing
> >radiation treatment for cancer could trigger the detectors and how they
> >should carry documentation of their treatment to prove they're not
> >terrorists. So according to the U.S. government, thousands of radioactive
> >depleted uranium shells (which are also a toxic heavy metal aside from
> >their radioactivity) are "harmless," but someone with trace amounts of
> >radioactive iodine in their bloodstream to treat thyroid cancer is a
> >terrorist.
> Does the word "depleted" mean anything to you dumbass???

It should, since his mind is...


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

"Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
k.net...
> In article >,
> on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
> petem attempted to say .....
>
> >
> > The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
>
> I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies to
> under-age refugee's for sex.
>

Heh I wonder just how many people even know about that one, it's pretty sad
stuff

"mikey" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> "petem" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
>> news: ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Mark Leuck" > writes:
>> >>
>> >> "petem" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus)
> made
>> >>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
>> >>> bad..
>> >>
>> >> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece
> and
>> >> Turkey for the past 50+ years
>> >>
>> >>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian
>> >>> act
>> >>> on
>> >>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
>> >>> SO what do you think of it?
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea what you just said
>> >>
>> >>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
>> >>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
>> >>> you
>> >>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
>> >>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
>> >>
>> >> Huh?
>> >
>> > I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
>> > Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
>> > U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
>> > of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
>> > falling behind at all.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Pete Stickney
>> >
>> > Without data, all you have are opinions
>>
>> Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is
> not
>> my first language...
>>
>> i can make myself understood ....
>>
>> but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?
>>
>>
>
> hahahaha, now you know how I felt
> but at least you can make yourself understood...
> I'm wondering what I actually said
>
>
>

That i REALLY doesnt remember....LOL

"Mark Leuck" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>
> "petem" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
>> news: ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Mark Leuck" > writes:
>> >>
>> >> "petem" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus)
> made
>> >>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
>> >>> bad..
>> >>
>> >> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece
> and
>> >> Turkey for the past 50+ years
>> >>
>> >>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian
>> >>> act
>> >>> on
>> >>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
>> >>> SO what do you think of it?
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea what you just said
>> >>
>> >>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
>> >>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
>> >>> you
>> >>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
>> >>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
>> >>
>> >> Huh?
>> >
>> > I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
>> > Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
>> > U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
>> > of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
>> > falling behind at all.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Pete Stickney
>> >
>> > Without data, all you have are opinions
>>
>> Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is
> not
>> my first language...
>>
>> i can make myself understood ....
>>
>> but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?
>
> Normally you type english very well just not in that message, I seriously
> had no idea what you were talking about
>

I think i posted this at 5 in the morning after going for a service call in
the night...(damn i love to be in stand by.....Grinnnn)
After reading it i figure out that was maybe typing and sleeping at the same
time...LOL

"Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> In article >,
> "petem" > writes:
>>
>> "Peter Stickney" > a écrit dans le message de
>> news: ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Mark Leuck" > writes:
>>>>
>>>> "petem" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>>> Wow a few ass hole (froma country controled by american....cyprus)
>>>>> made
>>>>> money out of the good will of an organisation and the whole thing is
>>>>> bad..
>>>>
>>>> Cyprus controled by americans? Uh no it's been partitioned by Greece
>>>> and
>>>> Turkey for the past 50+ years
>>>>
>>>>> that way of thinking mean that Bush was aware of all the barbarian act
>>>>> on
>>>>> Irak poeple in the so famous prison and should resigned..
>>>>> SO what do you think of it?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what you just said
>>>>
>>>>> the whole white house is not corrupted, just a few bad apple..
>>>>> The same for the UN..but how many corruption or such unetical act did
>>>>> you
>>>>> heard of in the UN?and how many in the White House?
>>>>> or the senat or some deputy that killed someone or such thing...?
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> I'd like to thank our Canadian Poster, petem.
>>> Every time that I fall into despair about the failures of the
>>> U.S. Educational System(s) and our ability to keep ahead of the rest
>>> of the World, somebody like petem shows up, and reveals that we aren't
>>> falling behind at all.
>>
>> Well if its because you dont like the way i type its because english is
>> not
>> my first language...
>>
>
> It's got nothing to do with grammar or typing skill.
> It has everything to do with illogic, and the triumph of emotionalism
> over reason, and a complete lack of research.
>
>> i can make myself understood ....
>> but would be able to do the same in 2 other language?
>
> Yep.
> It's not _that_ special, you know.
> --
> Pete Stickney
>
> Without data, all you have are opinions

Well just proove it...

"Tank Fixer" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> In article >,
> on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
> petem attempted to say .....
>
>>
>> The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
>
> I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies to
> under-age refugee's for sex.
>
> --
> When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
> variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

I can say that i heard that you mom is using Mr net product to clean your
mess...
you can say you heard anything..

what does your statement help in the disccusion?

"Tank Fixer" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> In article >,
> on Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:05:44 -0500,
> petem attempted to say .....
>
>>
>> i can make myself understood ....
>>
>
> Not so far, so far you have had incoherent rants.
>
> --
> When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
> variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

Plonk...

totally unusefull to any discussion...

"Mark Leuck" > wrote in
:

>
> "Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
> k.net...
>> In article >,
>> on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
>> petem attempted to say .....
>>
>> >
>> > The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
>>
>> I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies
>> to under-age refugee's for sex.
>>
>
> Heh I wonder just how many people even know about that one, it's
> pretty sad stuff
>
>

They had a 1 hour special on it last night on ABC. They are currently
prosecuting a French UN worker for all kinds of child porn and child abuse
with refugeesn in the Congo, pretty sad some will abuse someone in such as
misfortune as those people,the UN has sent several members of their troops
home, for numerous acts of misconducts related to sex, rape of young girls
and exchange of food to prostitutes.

"Manny" > wrote in message
...
> "Mark Leuck" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> >> In article >,
> >> on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
> >> petem attempted to say .....
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
> >>
> >> I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies
> >> to under-age refugee's for sex.
> >>
> >
> > Heh I wonder just how many people even know about that one, it's
> > pretty sad stuff
> >
> >
>
> They had a 1 hour special on it last night on ABC. They are currently
> prosecuting a French UN worker for all kinds of child porn and child abuse
> with refugeesn in the Congo, pretty sad some will abuse someone in such as
> misfortune as those people,the UN has sent several members of their troops
> home, for numerous acts of misconducts related to sex, rape of young girls
> and exchange of food to prostitutes.

The funny part is some of the rational they are using, the rule set up by
the UN appears to be that you can't have sex with an UNWILLING minor yet
says nothing when they are willing

I don't need any rule to tell me either way is flat out wrong but when you
are the UN....

In article >,
on Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:03:04 -0600,
Mark Leuck attempted to say .....

>
> "Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
> k.net...
> > In article >,
> > on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
> > petem attempted to say .....
> >
> > >
> > > The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
> >
> > I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies to
> > under-age refugee's for sex.
> >
>
> Heh I wonder just how many people even know about that one, it's pretty sad
> stuff

It made the news finally this last week.

--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

In article >,
on Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:01:17 -0500,
petem attempted to say .....

>
> "Tank Fixer" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
> > In article >,
> > on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0500,
> > petem attempted to say .....
> >
> >>
> >> The UN is doing the best it can to keep the free world free...
> >
> > I heard they were spending most of thier time trading food supplies to
> > under-age refugee's for sex.
> >
>
> I can say that i heard that you mom is using Mr net product to clean your
> mess...
> you can say you heard anything..
>
> what does your statement help in the disccusion?

Since you wish to deny the truth.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/UnitedNations/story?id=489306&page=1





--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

"Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
k.net...
> In article >,
> on Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:03:04 -0600,
> > Heh I wonder just how many people even know about that one, it's pretty
sad
> > stuff
>
> It made the news finally this last week.
>

It makes you wonder where priorities are, the story has been out there for
at least a month, guess the media is too busy talking about Iraq

> The funny part is some of the rational they are using,
> the rule set up by the UN appears to be that you can't
> have sex with an UNWILLING minor yet says nothing
> when they are willing

What the heck! I haven't been following this story. In this country a
minor, by definition, cannot be considered willing. It's rape no matter
what... ummm, unless you're a huge rock star.

"Robert L Bass" > wrote in
:

>> The funny part is some of the rational they are using,
>> the rule set up by the UN appears to be that you can't
>> have sex with an UNWILLING minor yet says nothing
>> when they are willing
>
> What the heck! I haven't been following this story. In this country a
> minor, by definition, cannot be considered willing. It's rape no matter
> what... ummm, unless you're a huge rock star.
>
>
>

Times are changing, I saw a news report a few weeks ago or so, where they
had arrested people that went to other countries to solicit sex with
minors, apperently this is a common thing with Pedophiliacs, who buy young
kids for sex in other countries, pretty sick no matter where you are.

Subject: Re: Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons
....
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
=> Manny <= wrote:

>Times are changing, I saw a news report a few weeks ago or so, where they
>had arrested people that went to other countries to solicit sex with
>minors, apperently this is a common thing with Pedophiliacs, who buy young
>kids for sex in other countries, pretty sick no matter where you are.


Why do you think Robert goes to Brazil every year?


--

-Graham

Remove the snails to email

"G. Morgan" > wrote in message
...
> Subject: Re: Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear
weapons
> ...
> Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
> => Manny <= wrote:
>
> >Times are changing, I saw a news report a few weeks ago or so, where they
> >had arrested people that went to other countries to solicit sex with
> >minors, apperently this is a common thing with Pedophiliacs, who buy
young
> >kids for sex in other countries, pretty sick no matter where you are.
>
>
> Why do you think Robert goes to Brazil every year?
>
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> Remove the snails to email

Ouch............ Cheap shot.......... :^(

> Why do you think Robert goes to Brazil every year?

Cracker cannot imagine that there are people in this world who don't have to
pay for sex.

"Robert L Bass" > wrote in message
...
>> Why do you think Robert goes to Brazil every year?
>
> Cracker cannot imagine that there are people in this world who don't have
> to pay for sex.


What?? It's "free" on the beach??

Subject: Re: Depleted Uranium -- the U.S. military and tactical nuclear weapons
....
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
=> Robert L Bass <= wrote:

>Cracker cannot imagine that there are people in this world who don't have to
>pay for sex.


Your wife can't either.





--

-Graham

Remove the snails to email

Cracker sprained his wrist and had to cheat on his regular lover.

In article >,
on Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:50:53 -0500,
Robert L Bass attempted to say .....

> > The funny part is some of the rational they are using,
> > the rule set up by the UN appears to be that you can't
> > have sex with an UNWILLING minor yet says nothing
> > when they are willing
>
> What the heck! I haven't been following this story. In this country a
> minor, by definition, cannot be considered willing. It's rape no matter
> what... ummm, unless you're a huge rock star.
>

No rock stars are huge, that's why they become rock stars.....


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

"Tank Fixer" > wrote in message
k.net...
> In article >,
> on Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:50:53 -0500,
> Robert L Bass attempted to say .....
>
>> > The funny part is some of the rational they are using,
>> > the rule set up by the UN appears to be that you can't
>> > have sex with an UNWILLING minor yet says nothing
>> > when they are willing
>>
>> What the heck! I haven't been following this story. In this country a
>> minor, by definition, cannot be considered willing. It's rape no matter
>> what... ummm, unless you're a huge rock star.
>>
>
> No rock stars are huge, that's why they become rock stars.....
>
>

The old TC here says, "Good line, a bit harsh,
but good."
<walks away snickering>

GS2T
(left tank first)

Jim E